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Run Qwen3.8-Flash-Next on a Mac that can't hold it. The model is a 125B-parameter mixture-of-experts, 104 GB on disk at 4-bit; slotstream streams it from SSD and runs it in whatever memory you give it. It's one Swift binary, no Python. It speaks the Ollama and OpenAI chat APIs, so your existing tools work unchanged.

on a 48 GB M5 Pro
Warm decode ~12 tok/s
Engine start ~2 s (only the 3.8 GB trunk loads)
Peak memory 32 GB (auto-sized; you can cap it)
Weights on disk 104 GB

Will it run on my Mac?

You need Apple Silicon, macOS 14+, and ~110 GB of free disk. Disk bites first: whatever your memory, a 512 GB Mac is the realistic minimum.

Auto-sizing never takes the whole machine. What each tier gets:

your Mac slotstream takes warm decode
8 GB 8.1 GB, the floor ~3 tok/s, and doctor warns it will page
16 GB 10 GB ~4 tok/s
24 GB 16 GB ~8 tok/s
32 GB 22 GB ~9 tok/s
48 GB and up 33 GB (more buys nothing; see Memory) ~12 tok/s

These rows come straight from slotstream doctor --sim-ram N, so you can reproduce them. Only the 48 GB row is measured on real hardware; the others are estimates from its curve, and smaller Macs also have slower SSDs. The middle column assumes nothing else is holding memory: with a browser open, auto takes less and says so in the plan it prints at startup (see Memory). Run slotstream doctor before downloading anything: it prints your machine's plan and whether the disk can hold the weights.

Install

curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/carloslfu/slotstream/main/install.sh | sh

Installs the latest release to ~/.slotstream/bin and puts it on your PATH. Re-run the same line to upgrade. To uninstall, rm -rf ~/.slotstream and remove the /usr/local/bin/slotstream wrapper or the PATH line the installer told you it added.

Releases are built by CI from the tagged commit with signed provenance, so you can verify an asset instead of trusting the download:

gh attestation verify slotstream-arm64.tar.gz --repo carloslfu/slotstream

Or build main yourself. Command Line Tools are enough, no Xcode needed:

git clone https://github.com/carloslfu/slotstream && cd slotstream
make build

The 104 GB download

The binary is small; the weights are not: 103.8 GB across 24 files, one time. serve and run offer the download on first use, or slotstream pull does it directly. Before transferring anything it prints the size, the destination, and your free disk, waits for a yes, and refuses outright if the disk can't hold it.

Your link sets the pace. pull opens eight TCP connections; a full install from a 1 Gbit/s datacenter link measured 112 MB/s, 16 minutes for the whole thing, which is the port. At 100 Mbps plan on ~2 h 20; at 25 Mbps, ~9 h. One connection alone is bounded by the round trip to Hugging Face — about 70 MB/s from a datacenter, 25 to 40 from a home link 100 ms away — which is why the count matters and why pull prints how many it is actually using. (Through 0.2.0 it ran on one connection whatever the flag said; see the changelog.)

Interrupting is safe: pull picks up where it stopped, redoing at most the few chunks that were in flight, and all 24 files are checked against sha256 hashes compiled into the binary, so a truncated or corrupted download can't reach the engine. The files come from a mirror of the pinned revision, with the original repo as fallback; the hashes are the same either way. pull --verify re-hashes an existing copy any time (8 s here).

Use it

First taste, no server:

slotstream run --prompt "why is the sky blue?"

For everything else, serve listens on port 11434 and implements the chat/generate subset used by Ollama clients and OpenAI SDKs:

slotstream serve
curl localhost:11434/api/chat -d '{
  "model": "qwen3.8-flash-next:4bit",
  "messages": [{"role": "user", "content": "hello"}]
}'

Open WebUI and the OpenAI SDKs are tested against this subset (the Ollama CLI is not there yet; see Status). Streaming, CORS, and the usual sampling options all work. What isn't supported (tools, images, JSON-schema output, logprobs) returns a clear 400 instead of being silently ignored. Every endpoint, field, default, and error is in docs/API.md.

Speed

Decode is the easy part: ~12 tok/s warm on a 48 GB Mac, and the tier table above says what smaller ones get. The slow axis is the prompt. All of it is processed before the first token appears, so 8,000 tokens wait about a minute on a 48 GB Mac and over three on a 16 GB one. Prompt plus completion is capped at 32,768 tokens (--max-context).

Within a conversation you only pay that once. Follow-up turns prefill just what's new, so time to first token stays flat as the chat grows: over eight turns at a 16 GB target, 6.0 s on the last turn instead of 25.8 s. Reused state isn't bit-identical to recomputing it, so a reply can occasionally differ where two tokens were nearly tied; --no-prefix-cache turns it off if you need exact reproducibility.

Decode has one more gear on machines with room to spare, and it is a small one. The model ships a draft head that predicts the token after next; with --mtp (default auto, new in 0.2.0) slotstream drafts the next token and verifies it in one two-token pass, and the draft is right 86% of the time (measured). It only pays where the expert cache is already near its best. On the dev Mac the 0.2.0 build, which drafted four tokens, lost at every cache size that fit, from ×0.55 at 20 experts per layer to ×0.96 at 57. One draft, the default now, reads ×1.13 at 57 and, at the 122 experts per layer a quiet 48 GB Mac runs with the head on, ×1.17 (10.1 → 11.8 tok/s, five pairs; two drafts ×1.13 there, four ×0.88). So auto turns it on only at that size, where the 1.6 GB it takes would otherwise buy experts past the plateau and costs nothing, and keeps it off below a 28 GB target. The ceiling is measured too: with every expert resident a two-token verify pass costs 1.17 single passes, which caps one-draft speculation at about ×1.4. The auto ceiling becomes 34.6 GB with the head on. It needs a one-time conversion that pulls 4.9 GB from the official release and writes a 1.5 GB mtp.safetensors next to the weights (Tools/mtp_convert.py, run from a clone with the repo's Python environment); without the file, everything runs with it off.

Memory

With no flags, slotstream sizes itself to your machine and tells you what it chose. This is a 48 GB Mac; it reads 52 because everything here counts in decimal GB:

slotstream memory plan (auto)
  device: 52 GB RAM (36.0 GB reclaimable now), 40.2 GB Metal working set
  target: 33.0 GB total for this process   (override: --memory-gb N | --max-ram-percent P)
  cache:  ~152 of 512 experts per layer  (7280 global slots = 20.1 GB pool)
  expect: ~32.0 GB peak, ~12 tok/s warm decode (est. from M5 Pro anchors)
  prefill: 4096 tokens per pass (~125 tok/s here; costs ~5.3 GB of the target)
  reuse:  up to 32768 tokens across 4 conversations (~1.2 GB), so a follow-up turn re-prefills only what is new

Auto takes the lowest of three limits (33 GB, 70% of RAM, and 2 GB under the Metal working-set limit) and sizes down further while other apps are actually holding memory. The 33 GB cap is the knee of the measured curve, not politeness: in a GB-at-a-time sweep, nothing between 34 and 84 GB decoded or prefilled any faster, so a 128 GB Mac gets the same plan a 48 GB one does. While running, slotstream re-checks every 15 s and resizes the cache between requests, shrinking under pressure and growing back once the pressure passes. Output is byte-identical across resizes.

To cap it yourself, --memory-gb G sets the total for the process (minimum 8.1, and it will go past 33 if you want to experiment). --max-ram-percent P moves the 70% share, and --experts-per-layer / --pool-gb size the cache directly. slotstream doctor prints the plan any of these would produce without loading anything.

How it works

Almost all of the model's bytes sit in two places: 68 GB of routed experts (512 per layer, 10 active per token) and a 32 GB n-gram table. The dense trunk is only 3.8 GB and stays resident. Experts are read with pread into a fixed pool of cache slots shared by all 48 layers, so hot layers borrow slots from cold ones.

Cache size changes speed, never output. Greedy decoding is byte-identical between a 4 GB cache and a 24 GB one, and that equivalence is a standing test.

Why not just mmap the file? MLX (Apple's ML framework) can't materialize part of a memory-mapped tensor: a top-10 expert gather evaluates all 512 experts of that layer, so an mmap path loads ~100 GB and dies. The stock mlx_lm.load() route took this 48 GB machine into 48 GB of swap without producing a token.

Status and limits

Working, and measured on one machine, an M5 Pro with 48 GB. The smaller tiers are estimates from its curve, not runs on real hardware.

  • One model, one process. v0 runs exactly qwen3.8-flash-next:4bit; the engine is built around its geometry, and pull knows no other name. A per-user lock allows one model process at a time.
  • macOS 14 and 15 have only had the installer exercised, not the runtime.
  • The Ollama CLI can't connect in 0.2.0. Its requests carry fields the release's strict validator rejects (empty name, system, template, options, and Ollama's empty-prompt "load" request), so ollama run stops before the first message. Fixed on main and verified with a real ollama run in both modes; it ships in the next release. curl, Open WebUI, and the OpenAI SDKs work today.

Docs

  • docs/API.md: every endpoint, accepted field, sampling default, and deliberate 400.
  • docs/TROUBLESHOOTING.md: port clashes, paging, slow decode, moving or verifying the weights.
  • docs/CLI.md: every command and flag, the memory knobs and their precedence, environment variables, where files live. (slotstream <command> --help carries the same text with more discussion.)
  • CHANGELOG.md: what each release changed.
  • PLAN.md: the design and the milestone tracker.
  • MEASUREMENTS.md: every number here with its method, including the experiments that failed.
  • llms.txt: a map of all of this for AI agents, with the commands, memory knobs, and API essentials inline; llms-full.txt is every doc above in one file.

Testing

Tools/verify.sh is the acceptance battery: weight provenance, goldens against a version-matched Python reference, byte-equality across cache sizes and live resizes, the speculative-decode gates, and a serving-robustness suite of inputs that used to crash the server. Tools/e2e_release.sh tests the other thing users actually touch: the curl | sh install and the binary it leaves behind. The parts that need no weights run in CI on every release build.

License

MIT. Sources/SlotstreamCore/Vendored/GatedDelta.swift is ported from mlx-swift-lm (MIT), and Tools/reference/ vendors the community qwen4_exp.py used as the test oracle. Weights come from pipenetwork/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-MLX-4bit and remain under the Qwen community license.

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